Dead Presidents and Father’s Day with John Gorenfeld on Falling Out Podcast

Dead Presidents

1. Intro. Not a member, wrote about the ‘bromance between the UC and right wing politicians in USA’ . 8. Intro to the book, Bad Moon Rising. Right wing politicians and Washington Times. John as a young journalist. John not happy because the book was misfiled under conspiracy. 13. Background to John’s interest in the Moonies. Discovering elected officials supporting the Moonies. 17. Anonymous blogger – Moonie World. 22. Trying to tie together the many tentacles of the organisation as an outsider. 23. Forward to the book. ‘giant ATM for the far right’ 29. Washington Times. 31. Moonies throwing elections. Removing crosses from churches. 34. Dead presidents speaking. Mix of absurdity and cruelty. 36. Crowned King and Queen of america at the house of representatives. 40. Moon bought legitimacy. 41. Universal peace federation. 46. Moving away from describing Moon as a sinister evil to focusing on Conservatives conning Moon to get his money. 50. Similar to trump in erratic decisions. 53. Auto writing a rev moon speech. Moon’s speech is not one man’s opinion. It is truth. He would never say ‘thank you for listening’ 1.02.   Crowning of Moon at the senate. 1.04. Bishop Stallings. 1.06 Process of writing the book. Trying to avoid conspiracy theories. 1.13 Stallings and the church working with the black community. Stallings joined church and got a Japanese wife. 1.23 taking down the Cross. 1.30 priests taking wives.  1.34 Ambassadors for peace awards to get people to attend speeches. 1.39 Politicians attending and supporting church events was used to convince members it was legitimate. Using the credibility of the cult to keep children in the cult. 1.43 the second generation experience is different. First gen had a persecution complex but second gen didn’t choose this. 1.48 thank you for throwing rocks at the cult. Saying something on our behalf. 

Part 2: Father’s Day

1. Roe v Wade overturned. 3. Hiding church identity. 9. Washington Times funded by vulnerable Japanese widows. 12 shark poaching. Rules not applying to the church. 21 The book Inquisition written by a church member Jim Gavin. Freedom of religion. ‘Silence our critics’ 30. Lawsuit for scams in Japan. Church makes 350 million dollars per year in Japan. 33. Tragedy of the six Marys. Bill Cosby speaking at UC event. 40. Wierd political underbelly of the UC. 42. Different names for the UC. 43. Dinesh DeSouza. Trump spoke at an event. 46. IIFWP and hall of mirrors of name changes. 50. New Yorker Hotel – three deaths by falling. 58. Semen in the holy wine? Some was forensically analysed and contained nothing dubious. 1.07 cold shower and other conditions. 1.10 early memories of church and moon. Lineage. Being special. 1.15 not wanting to fulfill potential because you don’t want to prove the cult right. If I become a huge success now the cult will claim it. 

ICSA Conference June 2022

ICSA’s Online Annual Conference begins in 3 days. REGISTER NOW! ICSA Annual Conference – VirtualJune 24-26, 202211:00 am – 5:00 pm EST Conference Agenda and Other Details Tell others who might be interested in attending this conference. 
Sample of conference sessions:
Cultic Gaslighting (William Goldberg)
Coercive Control and Sexual Exploitation (Carrie McManus, Andrea Silverstone, Linda Dubrow-Marshall, Rod Dubrow-Marshall)
Visioning the Invisible: The Traumatized Bodies of Racialized Cult Members and Survivors (Evvie Ormon)
What do SGAs Want to Cover in Counseling? (Cyndi Matthews)
Synergy Between Cults and Terror Groups (Darin Challacombe)
Discussion Group for Former Members Who Were Parents in the Cult (Lorna Goldberg, Doni Whitsett)
Catholic Cults in our Midst? Catholic orders and movements accused of being cult-like (J. Paul Lennon)
Legal Aspects of Harm and Victimization in Cultic Groups (Linda Demaine)
The Evolution of Cult Intervention (Patrick Ryan, Joseph Kelly, Doni Whitsett, Rachel Bernstein)
Award ceremonies
Rosedale Award
Lifetime Achievement Award
Dianne Casoni Award

If you live outside the USA and have time-zone issues, the conference platform is available 24/hr. per day for 30 days. Watch recordings of most sessions and interact with other attendees.
Conference Website
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Naming the Elephant: Mx Yeb Raven on Falling Out Podcast

1. Podcasts as therapy. 3. Grooming children for sexual abuse. 6. Pan sexual. 7. Talking about sexuality. 11. Shame around sex and stunted development – being stuck at a young age. 15. Joyful experience of sex outside of marriage with enthusiastic consent. 18. Lack of sexual boundaries makes you vulnerable for rape. Not knowing you can say no. Your body is not your own and you have no boundaries. Taught to go with what the male figure says. Common experience of women in the church having sex they didn’t want to have. 20. People join the church just to get a wife through the blessing. 24. Non binary – a gender outside of being man or a woman. Trans means you disagree with the assignment of male or female you were given at birth. Gender fluid is where it can change. 29. Feeling like an alien, not fitting in anywhere. 30. Church was so fundamentally make or female. Hetero normative fundamentalism. Grooming people for rape culture. 36. Nan Sook Hong story of sexual abuse as Hyo Jin Moon’s wife – In the Shadow of the Moons. 40. Research suggests we attach to the cult leader like we did as children to a care giver. Coercive control tactic forms this codependent relationship. So when you get out of a cult it’s as if you have a mental disorder you need to recover from. 45. Need for a therapist who understands you and will do the research. PTSD is from trauma and complex PTSD is from a period of long time with abuse. 47. Some people can’t even talk about it so they compartmentalise or dissociate. 49. Fight or flight response. Or freeze. So if we have experienced a lot of trauma we shut down. Freeze. 55. Borderline personality disorder. 56. Split up the family. 57. Can be treated. 59. Moon was a narcissist.  1.01 growing up believing we’re special. It’s hard to release we’re not. 1.05 pendulum readings. 1.10 matching photos. 1.15 leaving the church. Falling in love. 1.17 taken out of sex education. 1.20 ran away from home to another church family and they sent me back. Went to college. The person I was in love with brought me a stash of research about how bad the cult was. 1.23. Couldn’t leave home till 17 because of Texas law. Mom helped me get out. 1.32 we are taught to be with people we don’t like. Took a while to find someone who loves and respects me. Healing can take a long time. 1.40 Racism in the church. Korean being the master race. Privilege in general in the church. Mysogyny. 1.50 grew up white wanting to be Korean. Or marry a Korean. Plus other levels of racism in the church still to explore. 

Animals in the Halls: Mx Yeb Raven on Falling Out Podcast

1. Intro to season three. 5.intro to Mx Yeb Raven and trans community. 8. Trans ex moonie support group. 9. Welcome Yeb, non binary and transgender. 11. Parents missionaries to Israel. 14. New York Tribune 15. Labor trafficking and immigration fraud. Strategically organised mass weddings to organize the workforce. 18. Both parents were following exes who were in the church. 21. Move to USA and put in Jacob House at nearly 2 years old. 23. Several nurseries around the world where kids were left. 24. All three siblings in Jacob House, including 3 month old sister. 26. Painting of angel and Jacob wrestling. 30. No memory of adults at Jacob House. Ration of parents to kids never high enough. 32. Dream of wild ferocious animals walking the halls. Serious danger. 40. Finding sister in Jacob House. 41. Mother had psychotic break and left the church. 44. Flirty fishing 47. Jacob House shut down and move to New Yorker. 49. Offering child offer in exchange for possible compensation. 54. Named by some Korean guy. 58. Gender specific terms and cognitive dissonance. 1.01 toe and finger injuries on the escalator. Neglect at New Yorker. 1.06 laughing as a trauma response. 1.10 rape of children. Repressed memory – our minds do what they need to do to protect ourselves. New Yorker. 1.13 cult ignoring abuse of children. 1.20 brain not developed till 25 years old – don’t go to the blessing before 25 years old. Eriksons stages of development explains it. 1.30 not doing what you love because you’re married. 1.35 Feeling behind when you start dating in your thirties. 1.37 demisexuality. Only enjoy sex with someone you have an emotional connection to. Pause for part two. 

UPCOMING EVENT: Children Raising Children by Elgen Strait, March 30

Children Raising Children: Institutionalized Neglect in Cults – Elgen Strait speaks at the Family Survival Trust Event

Who are the Unification Church and “The Moonies”? What is it like to grow up as a “Moonie”? What difficulties do people who are born-in face? Does our society provide adequate support to former members?

Podcast host and former second-generation Moonie, Elgen Strait, will be answering these questions and more in our 2022 Annual Public Event.

Elgen will be sharing his fascinating personal story as well as insights into how the Unification Church operates and the common themes that have emerged through interviews with second-generation members on his podcast.

The event will last for one hour and include a 30 minute presentation followed by 30 minutes of questions and answers.

Doors open at 6.30 for a 7pm start. Following the event, the Zoom room will remain open for those who wish to stay and chat informally.

Register Here for the online event on March 30 2022

International Cultic Studies Association: Second and Multigenerational Adult Former Cult Member (S/MGA) Recovery Series

https://www.icsahome.com/events/virtual-events

This series is specifically for second and multi-generational adult former cult members, however, this is the first program for S/MGAs that is open to all. In the past, ICSA workshops for this population have been limited to those who were themselves born or raised in cults. But we see the increasing need for those outside of this population to learn about the unique recovery issues relevant to S/MGAs.”

The first webinar in the 2022 series kicked off on Sunday, March 6th! It was entitled, “Overcoming Barriers to Healthy Sexuality for S/MGAs,” presented by Doni Whitsett and Katharina Meredith.

You can access the recording of this and all 2021 sessions through the S/MGA playlist on ICSA’s YouTube Channel. Doni Whitsett’s PowerPoint presentation from the March 6th webinar can be accessed HERE.

Please note the shift from Eastern Standard Time to Eastern Daylight Time beginning on Sunday, March 13th, 2022. Upcoming presentations in the ICSA S/MGA Recovery Series in 2022:

  • Sunday, March 13th, 2022, 1:00 – 2:15 pm EDT: After the Cult: Exploring Healthy Relationships for LGBQA+ Individuals, Presented by Cyndi Matthews and Ashlen Hilliard
  • Sunday, March 20th, 2022, 1:00 – 2:15 pm EDT: The Impact of Yesterday on Today, Presented by Lorna Goldberg and Ck Rardin
  • Sunday, March 27th, 2022, 1:00 – 2:15 pm EDT: Destigmatizing Medical Care Post-Cult, Presented by Eva Mackey and Ck Rardin

Purity Culture: God’s Promise Part 2 on Blessed Child Podcast

‘Join in as Cathlene Bell, HK Ishida, Ryka Christopher and myself talk on dating post UC. We speak on how we are recovering from being raised in a high control group that stifles autonomy, gender roles in the UC, what sex means to us, and so much more. You can send HK Ishida a friend request on his instagram @hk.ishida and you can follow and listen to more of Cathlene Bell on her  podcast; Create imperfect anyway and instagram @Cathlene_Sublimates & @Createimperfectanyway. Find Ryka at @princessryka on IG and you can find me at Renrobot.art on facebook and instagram.  Ask questions, get answers.    For more on the Unification church please visit  https://itsoktoleave.org/  and follow the hashtag #exmoonie on instagram. This episode has been transcribed and you can follow the conversation on my website Exmoonie | Renrobot art | Big Spring (wildspacetattoo.wixsite.com)   https://wildspacetattoo.wixsite.com/tattoo. If your using the transcription please heart the blog, if there is no interactions with the blog this will be my last transcription provided.

Purity Culture in the UC: God’s Promise Part 1

‘How do survivors of extreme religion and purity culture even start to date? Well, its a long journey, and one episode can’t even begin to cover it all, but we can start. This episode is part 1 of a 2 part conversation, we dive right into dating post UC. Join in as HK Ishida, Cathlene Bell and myself talk on dating post UC, including how we recognized co-dependency, how to nourish self love, self awareness, social skill building and the consent mentality. You can send HK Ishida a friend request on his instagram @hk.ishida and you can follow and listen to more of Cathlene Bell on her podcast: Create imperfect anyway and instagram @Cathlene_Sublimates & @Createimperfectanyway. You can find me at Renrobot.art on facebook and instagram.  Ask questions, get answers.   For more on the Unification church please visit  ItsOKtoleave and follow the hashtag #exmoonie on instagram. 

This episode has been transcribed and you can follow the conversation on my website Exmoonie | Renrobot art | Big Spring (wildspacetattoo.wixsite.com)   Wildspacetattoo.wixsite.com/tattoo or Purity Culture in the UC: God’s Promise – Descript

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Purity Culture in the UC: God’s Promise Part 1 and 2 on Blessed Child Podcast

God’s Promise Part 2

‘How do survivors of extreme religion and purity culture even start to date? Well, its a long journey, and one episode can’t even begin to cover it all, but we can start. This episode is part 1 of a 2 part conversation, we dive right into dating post UC. Join in as HK Ishida, Cathlene Bell and myself talk on dating post UC, including how we recognized co-dependency, how to nourish self love, self awareness, social skill building and the consent mentality.’

2. WAIT team – abstinence education through dance. Still appreciate, the dancing. 3. Don’t have to throw out everything from the buffet. 6. Normalized codependent relationships. Dating is complex. Realizing I’m codependent. 8. Church did not encourage personal development or investing in personal appearance because you were going to get married anyway. Getting all value from other people to feel any sense of worthiness. Living for the sake of others means you don’t have any self worth. 13. Being a blank slate to be whoever your partner wants you to be. 16. Our marriages were for world peace, not ourselves. No room for selfishness or preferences. So in dating we learn to think what do I want. 22. Inner peace is more important than world peace in a relationship. 25. Cult tactics to use the responsibility of World peace to control you. 29. Some matchings have worked, not because of the match, but because of what they brought to the relationship. 32. Green flags in a relationship. 34. Take time to work out who you are before dating. Fall in love with yourself first. 37. Not just cults talk about soul mates and the one. 38.How I treat myself is the standard to which other people will treat me. 38. Children treat women how they have seen their mother treated. 42. Relationship skill building and understanding consent. 44. Consent not taught in the cult. Man makes the decisions. Your wife’s body is yours. Marriage is arranged and sex happens in the marriage so there’s no discussion about consent. Not allowed to masturbate and wife’s responsibility is to meet her husbands sexual needs so consent is not part of the conversation. 50. Guilt tripping wife into having sex. Arranged marriage as sexual abuse. 53. Now, how to avoid making anyone feel like that again. Consent is the antithesis of what a cult is. Now it’s OK if someone doesn’t like me. And so much better when a person does want to be with me. 55. Enmeshment. We’re not supposed to become one. 56. Apologizing for things that happened in a relationship. We never got taught that. 57. Cathlene’s song about being OK to be wrong. 1.00 we think the men had the power but they couldn’t make choices either. The only power was held by the cult. 

God’s Promise Part 2

‘Join in as Cathlene Bell, HK Ishida, Ryka Christopher and myself talk on dating post UC. We speak on how we are recovering from being raised in a high control group that stifles autonomy, gender roles in the UC, what sex means to us, and so much more.’

1. Dive deeper into what sex and consent means to you. 2. Taking back the power after church has assigned roles of male and female. No autonomy in the church. 7. Liberating to let go of masculine stereotypes around sex. 10. Women using sex as an act of service. 12. Develop healthy ways to have sex. 14. The rhetoric around ‘Absolute Sex’ put too much pressure on sex as the solution to world problems. 16. Sex and connection is a human need. 18. Consent. Asking if you want to have sex. Sex education in the Netherlands. 20. So sexy to be asked, ‘can I kiss you?’, you don’t have to read her mind. Women have been conditioned to let the man decide when a move is made. 24. BDSM with pre-agreement, safe words and aftercare. Role playing safely. 26. Moon’s idealized abuse of Hak Ja Han during the ‘seven year course.’ 28. Sex is a need, can be used as connection and stress relief. Not a way to create world peace. 30. Sex as an expression of care and connection, with partner and with myself. Sex is another art form. Not the sole means by which anything is expressed. 34. Sex with yourself is learning about yourself and maybe you’re the only one who can give you that pleasure. 35. What is the appropriate amount of self worth to attach to someone wanting to have sex with you. 39. It’s adult play. It’s fun. 40. Pelvis muscles need stretching or stress gets held in one spot. Masturbation releases that. 45. Sex means something different to everyone. Sexual wellbeing is connected to general wellbeing. 47. Sexual play is a low stakes adult game which has boundaries. But in the church sex was so insanely high we couldn’t explore anything. 46. Sex is an easy way to control people. 51. Cathlene Bell’s podcast ‘create imperfect anyway’ . 52. HK Ishida can be found on Instagram. 54. Enryka Christopher. People who leave the church and go into mental health and psychology work. Coercive control is everywhere.

Ansu in the Unification Church on Blessed Child Podcast

‘Join in on a conversation between Ryka, Marina, Alex and myself as we speak on Ansu, cults, religion and culture. Just to be absolutely clear, Ansu is child abuse. Find Ryka on instagram at @princessryka, Marina on IG at @marinka_dink and you can email Reneethomasart@yahoo.com for any questions,’

1. Ansu is institutionalized child abuse. Sets people up for self harming behavior. 2. Mentally challenged girl being held down and beaten. 6. Beaten so hard and screaming. Hit so hard you see stars – concussion. Can cause neurological disorders. 9. Moonies is a good cult to study as it’s still new. Most religion start as cults. 10. Judeo-Christian religions are all misogynistic. 13. Ten commandments said don’t start a cult and they all started a cult. 15. Satanic Temple and Satanic Church. 20. Suicide ideation. Self destructive tendencies. Escape through video games, art, school. 21. Educate myself to be able to argue and critically think. 24. Healing.